RIDERS CUB DISCUSSION

[Newtsalad]

"You meet the nicest people on a Honda"



Kev

Sure you don't mean'Riders Cub' Kev?

Someone else who doesn't make the meets....

[Newtsalad]

Simple solution guys, if you don't like it, don't sign on.....

[digger06]

stop arguing girls,

whatever the problem/outcome, of all this,
cubs are very very unique in the fact no other vehicle has so many copies/replica,s of itself,
and its motor,
and copies like the r**ers cubs (there, not plugging the name )will
be very much on top of the pile of discussions ,given the fact that the parts in general seem to be
good,and fit honda bikes (especially as im old enough to remember the crap standards some new cubs were made to).

this is great for most of us, because our road going bikes get to stay on the road, cheaply, and longer.cos honda
parts are getting scarcer, i personally think its the only way forward for most cubbers without a lot of money for honda bits...
however its a c90cub moniker at the top of the page, (c70/50 allowed too) not a chinese copy forum,
so i dunno, just post in the other marques section, keep to one riders thread, only, and refer people to looking in there if they are talking copies, ?
no one certainly has to plug shops etc, also a hard one imo, as these particular copies are named after the shop !!!
also hard as the shop,s not the usual importer, and (at the moment) quite good,
and we should know about good and bad, its a forum , again, hard because of the nature and amount of honda clones...
so ,all in all, i dunno, its newts forum, so he can do with it what he wants,
maybe a poll thread to see what folk are thinking?or mabe not?

my prob is, if we dont discuss the good/bad of copies, how do we know which is the crap when we need to buy stuff(and cant get honda)
advertising has the effect of stopping the bad firms too, and saving folk from buying poo

[Bugsy]

I really have no wish to prolong this discussion indeed, I'm done with it, but………………… there are surely a couple of mixed metaphors here.

all I was trying to say is that the many current members on here who own Riders Cubs should not be made to feel like owners of 'second-class' bikes. Just as owners who have opted for 'Lifan' motors and other non-genuine parts, it's called freedom of choice.

Well that's wrong too. We have never been snobby about bikes, there's no such thing as a second class motorcyclist here, and there's never been any issue with Chinese parts, or indeed riders parts.

Just remember! This is a CUB/HONDA forum, and while we are very tolerant, we will NOT be promoting entrepreneurial companies importing cheapo crappo Chinese copies!

ATEOTD, They are NOT Cubs! And cannot be compared with such magnificent machines that have sold 60m and still work fine after 50 years!

i dunno, its newts forum, so he can do with it what he wants,

That I accept 'digger' now, back to the polishing - please close this thread.

[digger06]

sod polishing, mines getting greased up this morn, too cold for polishing anything....

although, i polished a few whiskeys off last night

[BenB]

whatever the problem/outcome, of all this,

I'm sure there's no doubt about the outcome......

Newt is clear that the site is for HONDA Cubs. Not that we can't discuss Rider's copies, but that the whole purpose of the forum is for HONDA Cubs not copies.

The danger is that there is no clear definition in the eyes of the uninitiated. In my eyes we need to be careful not to lose the whole point of the club - a community for those with HONDA Cubs.

It seems obvious, but there has to be some discipline to all of this. The Admin set that discipline. It's not always what we want to hear, but they do have the final say. We're just visitors to their site......

As for hypocrisies', I'm sure that none are intended. In fact I'm not sure there are any. If there are, a PM is best.

Those who have seen some of my rants will know that I hate the polarised views of some. Newt has polarised views on where the site sits. I don't actually have an issue with it - given that without his (and others') input we would have a rubbish forum, bloated, full of nonsense and mixed messages. So on this, I concede, a fixed view of what we are trying to achieve is needed.

Just my thoughts.

[DogRustyJunior]

Now Cubs are getting older and rarer (yes,they are harder to find in the UK,ive ridden 3500 miles every day since august and havent seen a single one) then it becomes ever more important to have this forum here as a resource and support network for Cub riders,having it diluted by people with copies or bikes loosely related,trying to attach themselves to the legend that is the Honda cub and the club,rather than get the real thing is where the risk lies,and i think is what concerns Newt.

[Newtsalad]

its newts forum, so he can do with it what he wants,

Actually Digger, that's far from the truth. I'm more the gardener. Trying to keep the weeds out before the garden gets over-run. What is a weed? well, perceptions change and what may be regarded as a weed by some may be a plant to others.

Without the members there would be no c90club. Arguably it belongs to the members. That said, there needs to be some sort of order. Some people are naturally disruptive, or steam in with bags of enthusiasm, pick up the ball, but want to play a different game or start a new game, or even a game they can call their own.

Often they burn out after a few weeks, move on, and we pick up the pieces.

So like a ship needs it's crew, it also needs officers. Ensuring it does the task it was sent to do, keep it going in the right direction, and prevent mutiny.

Hence we have rules. The biggest problem, is we don't strictly enforce the rules, otherwise ANYONE going off topic, or posting external links would face sanctions.

Ultimately ag gets the final word. but he rather 'chairs' the 'C Team' of all the mods/admin. As a collective, we make policy. It's for the C Team to take me to task if they think I'm pulling weeds I ought not be.

I think what it comes down to, is my belief that Riders are doing very nicely out of C90Club, and I'm quite fiercely opposed to people making money off our backs and hard work, when it's a philanthropic venture.

If or when money IS involved, it will be to move us to full Club status.

And I 100% stand by, taking to task any member doing what Cornmek1 did this morning, to a new member looking for a Cub! If you've nothing better to say, than endorsing A.N.Other bike, say nothing! And that really ought to be, the end of the matter!

[digger06]

to a new member looking for a Cub! If you've nothing better to say, than endorsing A.N.Other bike, say nothing! And that really ought to be, the end of the matter!



full agreement on that ......

[Newtsalad]

Well Bugsy, I'm not the most articulate bloke but I do me best, and I often get it wrong, come across wrong, but usually I get there in the end. And I talk straight because I don't shoot from behind a keyboard, I get out there, to the meets, and am quite happy to speak the same way face to face, as anyone who's met me knows.

Far from closing this thread, it opens up Pandora's box. I broached the subject with ag, and have been meaning to do so with the 'C Team'.

However, as we're almost on the topic in this thread, here goes.....

We are getting several registrations daily, many of which do not own Cubs. So, this whole subject touches my underlying concern, and probably why I'm so tetchy about it, is that we are heading to becoming a 'General Bike Forum'

I recently encountered a 'Bike Forum', which was a wholly unpleasant experience, was both an education and a wake up call for me.

I can see better than ever, the draw of C90Club. Having seen how everyone is slapped down, belittled, ridiculed, and slandered on A.N.Other forum, and the standard of language and abuse there, c90club is a pretty safe harbour and I can see it's appeal.

I'm very much on the defensive as a protector of c90club, to people bringing such behaviour here. I had words with someone for posting up porn some time ago, and they were bewildered, saying 'All the bike forums do it'. Well not here they don't.

So, where do we go? We've happily embraced everyone. Given we only get 30 to 40 members turning out for meets, it seems churlish not to. At Matlock, we had a BMW 1200, A 250 Scooter, a 2 stroke traily, me on the Guzzi, and a right old eclectic assortment of bikes!

Is this good, or is this bad? Truth is, I don't know. If we defer to the membership, it's almost certainly going to end up 'A Bike Forum' if it isn't already.

Someone advised me recently we shouldn't let it get too big, let it get out of hand. There are already factions forming, each faction using c90club for it's purpose, mainly down, I think, to it's reliability. So far, we all get along famously, and have common interest. And 'Factions' is not meant as a dirty word either! For instance, we have our contingent from the Emerald Isle, who have sadly lost many of the forums that supported the little Honda's, there are the racers, happily at home here, monkey bikers, charity riders, restorers, customisers, etc etc.etc.

But do we want one section of the membership taking over? Should we allow it or would it be the beginning of the end for c90club?

Maybe to get going when we started, we were right to be, 'All embracing'? Now we have a bigger membership, and plenty of content to keep people returning, should we be more selective as to who joins here?

I don't have the answers. But these are the undercurrents that we will have to address eventually, sooner or later.