Innova or Vox ?

[Jon]

having decided to 'create' enough money to buy a Peugeot Vox 110, I'm now thinking...What about a used Innova...I'm thinking about the 125 specifically. I haven't really soaked up the Innova stuff

Soo...;

Are they made in Japan?,

Obviously the 125cc version will have a tad more power etc, but how does it compare to the 110 and 90

is it only the 125 that is fuel injected (from 2007, yes?)

Is the Injected machine considered a better bike in economy/riding terms than the carb version..What are the upsides/downsides...?

Or, any other thoughts on a machine around £1300... ?

I'm not entirely dismissive of a very good low mileage 12v 90 but it would have to be whisper quiet, never rebuilt (don't want Chinese bits in the motor at that price...I want to start with a clean slate) and cosmetically as near to perfect as possible)

[digger06]

id go for the honda,
reason being,its a honda,
iv seen too much hassle and expense with peugeot

[Jon]

id go for the honda,
reason being,its a honda,
iv seen too much hassle and expense with peugeot

I tend to agree but that's why I wondered whether the Innova was Jap built. I'm also cognisant of the fact that a lot of these little Pugs get bought for 17 year olds and are not maintained and crashed a lot.

i'm still trying to learn about them. One thing I may have discovered is that the Innova seems to be a true auto clutch bike, unlike the C90 which does two roles. A C90 will slip it's clutch just like an auto clutch moped allowing the engine revs to rise until power is better...The Innova apears to simply shift clutchlessly without this 'auto' feature. In other words Honda have made it a true clutchless manual bike instead of being able to perform like an automatic with gears...A subtle but significant (for me) difference. I'm wondering if the 110i Wave has the C90 style auto box now...

[Boo]

just like an auto clutch moped allowing the engine revs to rise until power is better...The Innova apears to simply shift clutchlessly without this 'auto' feature. In other words Honda have made it a true clutchless manual bike instead of being able to perform like an automatic with gears...A subtle but significant (for me) difference. I'm wondering if the 110i Wave has the C90 style auto box now...

The Innova / Wave is an automatic clutch with a pedal change gearbox like a C90.
You use it just like a C90. Set off in first and change with the pedal
A C90 has never had an 'auto feature'.
If you ride a c90 in without using the gears it's just using brutal clutch slip to do so and will wear the clutch out fast.
Same with an Innova / Wave.

The only difference is the Innova / Wave gearchanging clutch is on the gearbox shaft (secondary clutch) rather than on the crankshaft (primary clutch) , so it revolves slower to give smoother changes.
Because of this, the centrifugal clutch is a separate item on the crankshaft.
The Peugeot, and most Chinese Wave copies are the same.

[Jon]

just like an auto clutch moped allowing the engine revs to rise until power is better...The Innova apears to simply shift clutchlessly without this 'auto' feature. In other words Honda have made it a true clutchless manual bike instead of being able to perform like an automatic with gears...A subtle but significant (for me) difference. I'm wondering if the 110i Wave has the C90 style auto box now...

The Innova / Wave is an automatic clutch with a pedal change gearbox like a C90.
You use it just like a C90. Set off in first and change with the pedal
A C90 has never had an 'auto feature'.
If you ride a c90 in without using the gears it's just using brutal clutch slip to do so and will wear the clutch out fast.
Same with an Innova / Wave.

The only difference is the Innova / Wave gearchanging clutch is on the gearbox shaft (secondary clutch) rather than on the crankshaft (primary clutch) , so it revolves slower to give smoother changes.
Because of this, the centrifugal clutch is a separate item on the crankshaft.
The Peugeot, and most Chinese Wave copies are the same.

So they've re-engineered the Innova and other bikes to be smoother if you change gears all the time..OK...Makes sense...

[Jon]

I've just put a deposit down on a 2010 Innova, one lady owner, light scratches to the side from panniers 6200 miles dealer serviced throughout.

Should be able to keep the Cub as well!

Jon

[spikeyboy60]

I've got both.....both are good but the Jehovah is smoother

[Jon]

I've got both.....both are good but the Jehovah is smoother

Unfortunately the XR sale fell through so it looks like I'm going to have to sell the Cub to get enough cash to get the Innova now...Which is a pain...

[Glenn]

The only Vox I want to own is the amp.

[Jon]

The only Vox I want to own is the amp.

AC 15 isn't it...Looks a bit small for an AC30